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Months and nothing


For months after the various authors pulled their books from Mystic Press, they demanded to receive a royalty statement form Tabetha. This grew louder as evidenced in comments from across the net and in off the record emails. Finally, at the very end of 2012, Tabetha sent them some clearly forged royalty statements supposedly from amazon, but not matching amazon’s back matter when the html of the statement is examined.  Many people do not understand that it is possible to establish whether an emailed document is authentic or not.

Tabetha claimed that when people came forward at Emily Suess’s blog, all of their books were returned by angry customers. Yet, every purchaser I could locate still had their copies of the books in question.

What’s up with this?

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169 comments on “Months and nothing

  1. Lepplady
    January 15, 2013

    Tabetha lies, cheats and steals. That’s been established. And she’s going to keep right on doing it until or unless someone drags her chunky ass into court, to make her pay for her crimes. The legal system doesn’t care. I, for one, am going to keep reporting her, make no mistake. She’s never going to be done with me until she makes it right with my kid. And me. And I hope that the legal system catches up with her. I still, blindly, have faith that it works.
    What Tabetha does is throw up such a smoke screen of bullshit, in such massive volume and with such tenacity that people simply get tired of dealing with her and walk away shaking their heads. Already, many of the former Mystic authors have wandered off, carrying on with their lives. What was a flood of outrage has slowed to a trickle as people are claiming their lives back. Tabetha knew it would happen. This isn’t her first time up to bat ripping people off with this scam. She knows that if she just toughs it out, people will go away. And they are. Slowly but surely. They’re cutting their losses and getting back to their lives.
    She’s got the fact that people would have to travel to Texas to sue her going for her. People either simply can’t afford the trip or they don’t think she’s worth the money because they won’t recoup that much back. Even my daughter hasn’t filled out the court papers she sent for. I think that maybe she thinks it’s an effort in futility. We’re the closest ones to her geographically, but I just don’t see it happening.
    I really hope that Tabetha tries to screw somebody who’s both willing and able to see the process through and nail that thief’s ass to the wall. I really do. I’ll be front row center, with bells on.

  2. cussedness
    January 15, 2013

    Sometimes it just takes more than two or three violations before people sit up and take notice. I’m going to keep watching Tabetha and any time I have new information on her, I’ll post it.

  3. tabetha jones
    January 15, 2013

    Maybe people have moved because everyone is tired of it. Frankly I believed you would be also. Anyone that knows kindle or createspace they know when you download the records it is through excel. I am not opening this up for a fight all I am saying is that everyone has moved on. Maybe its time you do the same. The only reason I keep an eye on this blog is due to the fact I was directed to do so by my attorney. I hope you all have a wonderful life and no hard feelings. You have your opinion others have theirs.

  4. Lepplady
    January 16, 2013

    Thanks, Tabetha. I was just about at the point where I was thinking of giving up, too. A pathetic piece of trash like you just isn’t worth the energy it takes to think of you day after day. You could have gone your merry way, and kept ripping people off, but you just couldn’t resist, could you?
    By coming here, being so smug and lying through your teeth, you’ve rekindled my determination to see to it that you’re made accountable for your crimes.
    Your attorney? Do you mean that Herring guy that’s never heard of you?
    Oh, yes, girl. You haven’t seen my name for the last time. You ripped my kid off and you hurt her. You never get a free walk away from that. And don’t forget. You ripped me off, too. Unlike any others that can’t or won’t see it through, I will.
    I hope you have a wonderful life, too. Right up until you get that knock on the door from authorities that will make you pay for everything you’ve done.
    Now, I’ve got some calls to make.
    See ya.

  5. cussedness
    January 16, 2013

    Hey, little girl, there’s not a damned thing you can do about my blog, nor can your make-believe attorney. If you really had an attorney, I would have gotten a registered cease and desist letter from him by now. At which point, I would counter sue your panties off and leave you standing bare naked in the middle of downtown Fort Worth.

  6. cussedness
    January 16, 2013

    Oh, and another thing, when you email a document, Microsoft provides all the layers of saves and origins on it. It’s all there.

  7. Lepplady
    January 16, 2013

    …I worship you, Cuss.

  8. Sovay Frank
    January 16, 2013

    IF you want to worship her, you need the traditional garb. Start with a fez.

  9. Lepplady
    January 16, 2013

    …and maybe a toga.

  10. Wickedly Sweete
    January 16, 2013

    Herring huh? Do you really think my attorney would disclose any information to you. Honestly. I have talked to the office several times, no one has called inquiring about me or the company so obviously you got your wires crossed. You know I came her to make peace with all this. No one cares anymore but Lepp you started a blog of your own just to degrade me. I never had a signed contract with you therefore this is really know of your business. Your daughter is a grown woman and can fight her own battles but this is not a battle. This is just boredom. So, I am going to go back to writing, and taking care of the authors that are signed with my company. And what I would like to know is why Fort Worth Texas has anything to do with this. I mean, how do you know I leave their. I could live in Killeen temple belton, waco bryan dallas houston, amarillo for christs sakes. Where I leave is no one’s business. That is crossing lines that is of no one’s concern. But really, write a bookj, move on. Because from here out, yeah I will be watching here and there. Its just sad to think that grown adults have nothing better to do than talk about me. I just want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for making me the center of your world because if my name didn’t taste so good on your lips maybe you would learn to keep it closed. Now have a wonderful evening as I intend to do.

  11. cussedness
    January 16, 2013

    Your attorney is legally required to disclose whether you are his client or not so that papers concerning lawsuits against you can be filed. His office would not refuse to disclose the fact that they represented you. As for Fort Worth, all I can say is that you haven’t done much research on me if you don’t get the meaning.

  12. Sovay Frank
    January 16, 2013

    A toga could work, but you really need a fez, an umbrella, and dinosaur shoes. and a tie.

  13. Lepplady
    January 16, 2013

    I have those 😉

  14. Lepplady
    January 17, 2013

    Made some interesting calls yesterday. I’m finding out some very useful stuff about how businesses work in certain parts of Texas. Legal ones. And I’ve got a very interested IRS agent checking into a few things. I’m waiting for a call back.
    I like the direction this is headed. I really do.

  15. cussedness
    January 17, 2013

    Excellent move!

  16. Lepplady
    January 17, 2013

    Unlimited talk and text, baby. I can do this all day long.

  17. Lepplady
    January 17, 2013

    Hey, did we ever get an answer about whether or not Tabetha’s got her “business” registered? I remember somebody asking about that. Rusty, I think.

  18. cussedness
    January 17, 2013

    As I recall, Tabetha said that she did not need to register it. But back when i lived in Fort Worth (where I graduated from high school) you had to have it.

  19. Lepplady
    January 17, 2013

    Makes you wonder. Hmmmmm.

  20. Lepplady
    January 17, 2013

    Spent part of my day making phone calls and learned quite a bit about who does and doesn’t have to register what aspects of their business, and who they have to register it with. VERY enlightening.

    Got more calls to make tomorrow 😉

  21. Sovay Frank
    January 18, 2013

    good job!

  22. Lepplady
    January 18, 2013

    Just for the sake of conversation, if anybody has doubts that income illegally gained off of them, or withheld from them by a publisher in Waco might not be getting properly reported, you can contact the IRS office in that area by calling (254) 741-2312.
    They take a business’s income VERY seriously, I’m told. And that includes any “independent contractors” they hire.
    Have fun, kids.

  23. tabetha jones
    January 18, 2013

    Just thought a tis bit of info your way to show and prove that I am not the con artist it was the original owners of mystic. Check.out brandys alias page. Now obviously they have told this woman that Wendy and Brandy are sisters not true. But read the posts from Nikki and then you will see what I have dealt with from the moment I took over mystic http://www.facebook.com/rainebanks

  24. cussedness
    January 18, 2013

    That does not change the facts of what went down after you took over Mystic. And as for the insulting stuff you said about Thea Larson, my company just bought her books. She’s a master of the genres we publish. And your fiction is just masturbatory Mary Sue-itis with no redeeming value.

  25. Sovay Frank
    January 18, 2013

    who is this tabby person anyway?

  26. Lepplady
    January 18, 2013

    Thea excels in every aspect over Tabetha and her pitiful excuse for an existence. Thea’s a better writer and a better person, by far. Tabetha doesn’t just pale by comparison, she doesn’t even cast a shadow.

    Tabby there doesn’t seem able to grasp the basic legal concept that when she became the owner of the company, she became just as responsible for any legal problems the company had. Hell, she probably caused them in the first place. She’s certainly responsible for all of it since.
    If she can’t grasp the most basic elements of business law, maybe she should be in a different line of work. One that has nothing to do with writing or publishing, as she sucks at every aspect of it.

  27. tabetha jones
    January 19, 2013

    Lepp were you there? Were you secretly spying? No I think not so for you to assume you know what went down mystic was signed to me makes you rather stupid. And good for Thea now when you give her criticism Lepp can start her hate campaign on you. I was merely pointing out facts but it is clear it is easier to wrap your head around a set of tightly woven lies than any truth I give. But. you say I intentionally set out to hurt these ppl. Oh that is where u wrong. I believe that they knew what kind of business Wendy and brandy had presented and made me an easy target. As for my writing I do have a fan base that would disagree that is the reasoning behind two Zoey pages. Some may not like it as some may not like yours but both being writers there is no reason for insults. I come out all sweet and trying to take a different turn on this situation yet you and lepp would rather throw trashy comments or insults. Bravo for showing your age.

  28. Martha Wilson
    January 19, 2013

    Oh my word is this still going on? When will this come to an end and when will the injured parties be healed? Do you not see that until this is resolved financially these blogs will continue? I’m not sure how the IRS work in the US, but will they be able to pay authors and staff what they are owed? Will they be able to demand payment from the company? or is this simply for taxes which may be owed? Also, why does it sound like Lep is threatening people who have done work for this woman? Those people are not at fault, some of them have been scammed also. If I have taken this out of context I apologise.

    Sorry to chime in and I do not want to argue, I just simply cannot believe this hasn’t been sorted out yet.

  29. Lepplady
    January 19, 2013

    I don’t know what’s funnier, Tabby cat. That you really believe your own bullshit or that you think anybody else does.
    Keep up the free entertainment, please.

  30. Lepplady
    January 19, 2013

    Don’t get your knickers in a knot, Lindsay. Nobody’s coming after you. If you’re stupid enough to associate yourself with Tabby, she’ll be the one handing you a disappointment – probably sooner than later.
    I’m talking about taxation paperwork. If a “business” employs anybody, including independent contractors, there has to be paperwork filed. If Tabby’s got all her ducks in a row, she’s got nothing to worry about. But if she doesn’t, and I’m guessing she doesn’t, she can expect a knock at the door from Uncle Sammy.
    What’s the jail time for tax evasion these days?

  31. Sovay Frank
    January 19, 2013

    none if you are a banker.

  32. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    It’s not Lindsay, since when is Lindsay actually spelled MARTHA. This is getting beyond pathetic with you Lep, for someone to believe two different people are actually the same simply because she used my internet ONCE, is just plain silly. Especially when you can clearly see (as it has been done before) that Lindsay responded from her OWN internet from that night on. But, you think as you will. I have no idea what your problem is, or how to resolve it.

    Anyhow, I wasn’t referring to Lindsay. I was speaking of the editors who I believe have still not been paid for their services, among other things I’ve learned very recently. It seems you are not aware of these and I will not be the one to start a new hate campaign.

    I came back to this blog to get an update, sadly it isn’t the update I’d hoped for. I like to see justice done. I believe people who are wronged should have a chance to get their revenge, or maybe not so severe. Maybe just be compensated on top of getting what they are actually owed. I would like to see this happen.

    I also think that if this did happen, other scam artists may think twice about trying to take money off people. I would like to think it would set an example. If scam artists know there are people who will not just let things die down, who will continue to fight for what they are owed and that the law is in their side, maybe we will hear less and less stories like this.

    Lepplady, on a personal note, as much as you may like to name call, believe I’m something I’m not and so on, you should know that I am actually behind you 100% in this. I agree with all that you’re doing. Above all else. I hope you win and you get back the money you have paid out and yet received nothing for. I hope to stop by here sometime very soon and see that all those who were wronged have now been given back everything they are owed.

  33. Wickedly Sweete
    January 20, 2013

    You know this is getting so out of hand that it amazes me everytime I read the comments. Lepp has no reason to be sticking her nose in anything because she was NEVER and i repeat NEVER apart of the company nor was she signed with the company. What she is doing is stirring up shit for her own giggles. Laugh get it all out of your system because when this is said and done I can have the last laugh. What will it take to prove to you people that I have done everything I possibly can I never scammed anyone and yes I am sure that I hurt the authors when I closed Mystic but it was business. Things like that happen in business. But this is crazy, and I am trying to end this, that was the whole reason I posted in the beginning but the more people stepped up to show these idiots I was truthful they got torn apart too. So what good does it do to tell the the truth and have others tell the truth. It is a sorry excuse for a blog. I am beginning to wonder could it be Robert and Wendy behind all this…they have been known to take up hobbies like this. Makes me wonder if Cuss really is who they say they are, and if all cussy’s cronies are who they say they are. Maybe you are the one playing the game..maybe you are the one that needs to be on the chopping block…so should I call you Cuss? Wendy? or Robert?

  34. anonymous
    January 20, 2013

    It wasn’t Wendy or Brandy that I signed a contract with. It wasn’t Wendy or Brandy who took my money and did not provide the services bought. Nor was it Wendy or Brandy who took the money of the others. Wendy and Brandy signed it over to you (per your words) in February, these contracts were signed in the fall. Why do you persist in blaming people who were not even part of your ‘business” or “group” or “organization” or whatever else you want to call it? The fact is this: we signed contracts, we paid for services, we did not receive those services. Plain and simple. All I can say is Karma is a bitch, hon. It’ll come around to you. I just wish I was close enough to watch the great downfall. I don’t think it’ll be much longer, what you’re feeling is the eye of the storm. It’ll rain down on you before too long.

  35. anonymous
    January 20, 2013

    And somehow, I think you know that.

  36. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I do hope you are not referring to me as somebody’s crony?

    As much as I now dislike this Lep for my own reasons concerning my niece, I do believe Lep has every right to be on here. I know from my readings that it is her daughter who has been affected, so let me put something to you, Tabetha..

    I believe you have a daughter. What would you do if your daughter came to you and explained she had been scammed? Would you, as you put it, want this person on a ‘chopping block’? Would you do everything in your power to help her? I believe you would otherwise you wouldn’t be a very good parent. Lep is showing not only her parenting skills, but also her loyalty by being there for her daughter and helping her in every way she possibly can. This is what is known as a mother. Any normal mother would defend her child, regardless of their age. My youngest child is 27 years old, my eldest is almost 36. Both have their own children, BUT both are still my babies and I would defend and fight for them both until I was blue in the face or it killed me. Wouldn’t you? I certainly do not see this as “stirring up shit for her own giggles”. What part of this is funny?

    Also I understand you are trying to end this, but as has already been said on numerous occasions, this will not end until all wrongs have been made right. Do you not understand this?

    “ the more people stepped up to show these idiots I was truthful they got torn apart too.”
    Yes this is true. Since all your friends decided to comment from YOUR computer things blew up. What you and your friends did has even caused problems for my niece and I. This was not a very good move Tabetha, now everyone, even those who speak against you are being considered fake and liars. THIS I blame YOU for. People now feel they have to prove their existence because of you and your supposed friends little tricks. My niece has now been called a liar and even felt the need to prove she had a small Avon round. THIS I blame YOU for. Whatever she or I say is pulled in to question, others who have commented have met the same fate. Again, I blame YOU for this.

    You have caused the problems and until you resolve them you can expect more of these posts.

  37. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    I am beginning to wonder could it be Robert and Wendy behind all this…they have been known to take up hobbies like this. Makes me wonder if Cuss really is who they say they are, and if all cussy’s cronies are who they say they are.

    I am fascinated by the way you try to suggest that I might be someone else. This blog is older than Mystic. I have “cussedness” blogs that date back to 03. You just toss out whatever accusations drift through your head and hope something sticks. Maybe we ought to rename you, Tabetha, to hooflungdung.

  38. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    Oh, and Tabetha, I’m still waiting for your attorney to send me that registered cease and desist letter instructing me to stop being such a meanie poopy head toward your sensitive lil self.

  39. tabetha jones
    January 20, 2013

    It shouldn’t take an attorney to do anything. Its about being an adult and moving on. Yes people got hurt and I was one of them. Did things go as planned no. And I am sorry for that but again it was business. Martha people are grown adults and they knew what they were doing when they signed that contract. You can blame me all day but I did everything I promised and have receipts to prove it it. And why you want to back.lepp so much I’m not sure when she is the one attacking Lindsay. And I was trying to defend her because Lindsay means alot to me. She is a dear friend. I would do anything for my authors or staff. Now things with mystic ate taken care of and its time to let it die. So lets all be adults about this and move the hell on. Cause it shouldn’t take attorneys all it should take is adults being adults or have you all forgotten how to do that.

  40. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    Uh, Tabby, you seem to have forgotten all the threats you have left me concerning this attorney of yours.

  41. Sovay Frank
    January 20, 2013

    Go home girl go home.

  42. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    Oh FUCK OFF with your >LIES< Tabetha Jones!

    You act like it's not COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU STOLE ROYALTIES FROM YOUR AUTHORS by claiming all their books were returned. Aside from the fact that books & ebooks can only be returned within a certain time frame THESE AUTHORS HAVE COPIES OF THE BOOKS YOU CLAIM WERE "RETUNED" AND SO DO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT THE BOOK, YOU STUPID FUCKING PIG. How's that new tattoo? Looks like you put their money to such a noble cause as well…

    You're so dumb, you think just because people are quiet that they have "moved on". GET A GRIP OF YOUR DAMN SELF YOU NARCISSISTIC IDIOT Stupid Stupid Stupid.

    Lil' miss "I am a Phoenix" is going down in flames. There's no chance of "rising from the ashes" after you drown in your own BULLSHIT.

  43. Amanda
    January 20, 2013

    It seems funny to me that someone who likes to throw around the weight of an attorney so much is suddenly declaring them unnecessary. I for one, and I know I am not alone, would love to have Tabetha’s attorney’s name and address – if one even exists.

  44. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    …And why you want to back.lepp so much I’m not sure when she is the one attacking Lindsay…

    Tabetha, I do not like this Lep. She has upset my niece and refuses to see past the end of her nose where our identity is concerned. She states she will admit when wrong, however, no matter what we both have offered to this woman, she will refuse to see the truth about us. Some are just born that way, very tunnel visioned. These people are also the sort that others tend to avoid.

    But I believe the reason she has suddenly turned on Lindsay is your fault as I have already explained. I do not need to repeat myself, your question was previously answered.Try reading again my dear.

  45. anonymous
    January 20, 2013

    Taken care of? Um, I think you might have forgotten about a few people…you know, those people whose money you need to return.

    I do hope you realize pretty much everyone on the online community knows what you did. It’s hard to believe someone when SO MANY people have reported against you. It might be likely for someone to receive communication once about someone’s scam and not believe them, but to receive the same information from numerous individuals, well, that’s quite convincing. It’s not difficult to see through you. You can claim innocent all you want, but everyone already knows. Everyone in the writing community on Facebook and several others on Twitter know what happened. It’s sad that you think you’re getting away with something, that people didn’t notice, that people just looked the other way. No one looked the other way, they all know. That’s why you’re getting nowhere.

  46. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    i sure do love it when a stupid pig leaves a bullshit trail all over the internetz like this lolololololololololololol this stink be reaching >far and wide<

  47. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    May I ask a question? I know we have different laws and I openly admit I do not know how things will work in the USA. Surely though they cannot be so different, and if all these people have put in complaints about this woman and the company, under both Mystic and Phoenix, something would have happened by now. What I mean is, why doesn’t anything seem to be happening?

    There seems to be a lot of threats flying around, but I haven’t read of anything actually moving forward. Or have I missed something?

  48. MikeBrendan
    January 20, 2013

    Hmmm… Making threats that attorneys have been contacted, then backing off when called on it. Yep, Tabby’s a Nitwit.

    Here’s some advice: don’t make threats about siccing laywers on people unless you actually have one ready to take action on your behalf. Oh wait, you’ll ignore this and post another poorly written screed…

  49. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    The laws are a lot different here, Martha. For one thing, each state has a different way of handling things. This country is way larger than UK and as a result slower to move and more complicated. You have to remember that the entirety of your country could be fit into one of our smaller states and still leave lots of room for more.

  50. anonymous
    January 20, 2013

    Because every one of us was ripped off for less than $500, we would have file a lawsuit in small claims court. We have to hire a lawyer, who requires retainment fees (usually $1000-$2500). We have to pay court fees, some of them upfront. So it’d be pointless to spend $3K on getting back $500. Even if there was a lawsuit and any of us won the case, do you really expect Tabetha JOnes to be able to pay the restitutions? Probably not. All we can do is report the incidents to the internet crime division of the FBI, the Attorney General, and the IRS and hope they decide to open an investigation. I mean, where DO you go for this sort of thing? WHO is there to protect us from it? I feel extremely let down by our penal system. I don’t know where to turn.

  51. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    Scammers count on their victims not having the wherewithal to sue them. Tabetha is not big enough to attract a pro bono attorney to her victims’ defense. So long as the amounts stolen from each person remains below a certain level, her thefts cannot be considered Grand Theft and the courts will rarely go after anyone for petty theft. Also most states and DoJs are just beginning to seriously familiarize themselves with internet crime laws and learning to apply them.

  52. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I appreciate what you’re saying with regards to the size of the countries. That never crossed my mind as I just assumed with you being larger there would be more legal personnel to deal with things like this is a timely manner.

    Over here 99% of the time, the claimant does not need to pay for the legal services as all costs are recovered from the other side. I wish it would work that way for all of you. You all deserve to have your money returned.

    Anonymous, I understand what you mean. You’re spending more than you would recoup. I’m sorry to hear this. I do fear you will not receive what you are owed without legal representation, and yes, this is why scammers do what they do and why more and more are appearing. Dreadful. I wish there was something I could do for you all. My heart genuinely goes out to all those affected.

  53. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Again, over here we have solicitors who operate on a “no win, no fee” basis. Don’t get me wrong, this does not apply to everything you could go to a solictor for. We also have legal aid for those who may not be able to afford any legal fees. Do you not have anything like that over where you are?

  54. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    That’s called pro bono and you can only get one of those if it looks like there is money to be made in filing suit. Law Schools at major universities used to have legal aid, as did some states, but all of them is pretty much gone, even here in Masschusetts. Furthermore, they would not take suits like this because they are petty civil suits. That’s what small claims courts are for, but they don’t cross state lines. We do not have any other options except to behave like a pack of vigilantes on the internet. Therefore we will make certain that at least some justice catches up to people like Tabetha.

  55. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I wish it were different for you all. It is all very frustrating. Good people get messed around and ripped off and there is absolutely nothing they can legally do about it. Dreadful.

    I hope what you and others are doing will provide some form of consolation to those affected.

  56. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Actually, nobody needs an attorney. A plaintiff in a civil case can download the forms from the internet and fill them in. The biggest expenditure involved in suing that reprehensible scam artist (not my first choice of words) would be travel costs. In the state of Texas, or at least the part she’s in, it only costs thirty bucks to sue somebody in civil court, and the defendant would get that back when they win.
    Well, not really. As somebody pointed out, she wouldn’t pay. But she would be finally and irrevocably exposed as the scam artist that she is. Then that can be presented to the public as undeniable proof of how she operates so that no new authors would get scammed.

    Actually, Martha, I believed Lindsay until you showed up. I was beginning to question why anybody of good character would remain aligned with such a lying, thieving sack of shit. Her claim of “Oh, that’s business. I have nothing to do with that part” is too convenient an excuse for her to turn a blind eye to the pain that Tabetha causes people by lying to them and stealing from them. By accepting people’s money through Tabetha’s activities, Lindsay’s not only condoning it, she’s participating. A morally upstanding person doesn’t help hurt people unless she thinks it’s okay. And it’s not. But, until you showed up, auntie, I at least believed she was who she said she was. Now I don’t believe either one of you as far as I can throw you.
    And the truth is, I don’t really care. You’re not the point. The point here is Tabetha thinking she can rip people off and just walk away from it. She thinks she can come here trying to be clever and cute (and failing miserably on both counts), telling people to move on and be adult. She says she does everything she can for her authors, playing the poor, innocent, put-upon victim. Nobody’s buying it. She owes people money. Period. They’re not going away until they see her pay.
    But that’s okay. She can keep right on smugly thinking that she’s getting away with it. The DA might not be able to go after her for less than 500 bucks, but they know about her. Already knew who she was before I called. And was very willing to give me advice about how to proceed to seek legal justice against her. She might not see anything happening, but I kind of like that. When that knock on the door comes, she can be as blindsided as the people she rips off when they realize what she’s done to them.
    Those wheels are turning.
    I just hope that 200 dollar tattoo looks good with penal orange.

  57. John
    January 20, 2013

    Cussedness is real. I know that bitch in real life. And I love her dearly. Except that she’s funny looking. Her left leg is as withered a stick and her right one is fat as a frog. But that don’t stop her from rescuing my guitar ever time I pawn it for booze

  58. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Lep you said..
    “Oh, that’s business. I have nothing to do with that part” is too convenient an excuse for her to turn a blind eye to the pain that Tabetha causes people by lying to them and stealing from them.

    I don’t understand you at all. All she is stating is the truth. She doesn’t work alongside Tabetha with the running (or lack) of the company, she has no knowledge of anything to do with the running of this company. You say she takes money from people and so that makes her a part of this. The authors go to her directly for cover art. They deal with Lindsay there, not Tabetha. If they do not want to use Lindsay for their art they go elsewhere, I don’t see how this makes Lindsay a scam artist. Isn’t it the authors choice whether to use her or not?

    I believe you just want to tarnish her for no good reason. You want to damage someone who simply creates covers. Pathetic. She is not causing pain to anyone at all. You have a personal vendetta of some sort towards my niece, why not channel that towards the person who has actually done harm. Ms Tabetha Jones.

    You then say… But, until you showed up, auntie, I at least believed she was who she said she was.

    So just who the hell is she? Johnny Depp in disguise. The Mayor going under a different name? Do you not see how ridiculous you are being? I showed up because I do not agree with scam artists. I want to see justice done for all those who have been wronged. I also didn’t want my niece to be classed as a liar for being a friend to someone and making some covers. She has never lied to you. She even proved she worked for Avon just so you could see she was not a liar.

    You came along defending your daughter and that is acceptable. Although, she only came on here what, twice, herself. But I do it for my niece and we’re branded liars, scum bags etc.

    You can shout and be off with me all you like Lep, I do not care either and you are right, Lindsay is not the one you are after. (However, it seems you are desperate to harm her but…)

    I hope the knock does happen. I hope you get everything you are owed and like I said previously, I believe you should all be compensated on top. I also believe that before you go out and start paying a fortune for tattoos you should pay what you owe. She cries poverty and yet she can afford those? I believe she has had two done lately, I wonder who could have been repaid with that money?

  59. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    I will state again just how Lindsay got tarred with the same brush. Until very recently, she had a post on her blog defending Tabetha and she defended her in comments elsewhere. If a neo-nazi comes on defending Hitler, do you go after Hitler or the commenter?

    John, please go take your meds, I don’t know whether to be complimented or insulted by what you posted.

  60. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Wrong, Martha. Money for cover art is in Tabetha’s contract.

    It’s not guilt by association we’re talking about here. It’s guilt by participation.

  61. John
    January 20, 2013

    Damnit, woman. I took my meds. Bob watched me. I don’t like this tabby person. I don’t think women ought to have their pictures taken with their damned tits hanging out. She looks like a slut to me. Why are you bothering to converse with a slut, Jan? I thought you had better manners than that. She don’t even have a good piece of ass and i’m an ass man.

    Can I have my guitar back?

  62. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Actually not all her authors use Lindsay, so does that make all the other artists part of this too. Also, it does not state in the new contract that any money will be paid to Tabetha for cover art. I guess you didn’t know that. All Lindsay is ‘participating’ in is creating covers. Nothing more and nothing less.

    Cussedness, in response to your question, I would always go after the one who caused the problem. I would not go after another person who simply let Tabetha appear on her blog and designed covers.

    Tabetha is the one who deserves to be punished here. SHE and she alone should be the one to be shamed. Not others.

  63. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    It’s called collateral damage, Martha. A fragmentation grenade called justice was dropped on Tabetha and all who adhere to her and support her get caught in the explosion. By defending her, Lindsay has made common cause with Tabetha and Tabetha’s way of doing business. Taking down the post is not enough.

  64. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Well I do not agree with you trying to damage my niece. I’m convinced it wouldn’t matter what she did you will never see her as an individual. Where her friendship with Tabetha is concerned, Lindsay will see sense soon enough I’m sure of it. Very sure.

    On another note, I believe you reported Phoenix to a site which authors can go to in order to find out more about a publisher. I’m not sure if this will be of any use to you, or whether you are already aware of it, but maybe a post here could also be beneficial. I’m not a member, nor do I care to be, but it’s possible someone on here already is.

    http://absolutewrite.com

  65. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    I’ve already been there. I’m a long time member. There’s a thread there about Tabetha and Phoenix Fire. I reposted a copy of the contract there.

  66. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Oh right, I haven’t seen that one. At least it’s on there. It seems like a awful lot of people use that site, so that’s good to know.

  67. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    ~~~if you shake the hand of the devil, that shit just don’t wash off~~~

    oh, yeah, and taking down the post? tabbyfat ASKED them all to take em down. why? so it wouldn’t show up in a search engine check for phoenix fire. they all rushed to get em down, doing as da pig bid them. from what i remember, the niece was on this like a tramp on a taco – til T~PIG called her off

    this lyndsay chick isn’t just bedfellows with tabbypig, she sleeping on the damp patch

  68. cussedness
    January 20, 2013
  69. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    As long as Lindsay takes money from Tabetha, they’re in bed. Simple as that. A good auntie would play Dutch uncle and point that out.
    If Lindsay had any moral fiber at all, she would have written Tabetha off the second it was revealed that she was scamming people. Instead, she’s been helping Tabetha scam people for a year now. Her hands aren’t as clean as she innocently blinks and claims.
    Seems Lindsay and Tabetha both suffer from the same “But I’m innocent!” syndrome.

    And, yes. Anybody else who works with that thief is a part of it, too.

  70. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I’ve just read the post. I’m glad it’s on there. I really hope this company closes. I understand about tarnishing, I really do. I just hate that she is being classed as a scam artist just for generating images and talking to her as a friend. I do think its wrong. May I also point out that Lindsay has not defended Tabetha for a long while.

    Lep you need to stop being so harsh on someone who has done you no harm. I also don’t know how many times I will have to say this. Lindsay DOES NOT take money from Tabetha. The authors go directly to Lindsay IF and only IF they wish to use her for cover art. No money goes from Tabetha to Lindsay. You do NOT have the Phoenix contract, I have read it. That is the truth.

    Also, Lindsay hasn’t HELPED her scam anyone. You really need to stop this. She’s been her friend for over a year a believe, but she’s only worked on covers for a few months. Let me ask you this, is everyone who knows this woman, who utters a word to her a scam artist also? Because this is what you are making out.

    Tabetha is not innocent at all, and the whole world can see this. Lindsay is guilty of being a friend to someone who certainly DOES NOT deserve her, and making covers for authors who go to her. Simple as that. Everyone who knows Lindsay will tell you the same thing. She is the most open and honest person you could wish to meet.

  71. tabetha jones
    January 20, 2013

    So we are ripping on the tattoos now. Before you assume I paid cash you might want to step back.a moment. The artist owed me some work from way back. So don’t worry about my personal life that’s no ones business. Oh and eyeworm you can take your fist and shove it in your fucking mouth and choke on it. I’m one bitch you don’t want to piss off. I’m tired of the threats tired of everyone’s bullshit. Believe whatever do whatever. I know I have all the receipts all the contracts all the paperwork. I’m not worried but lepp u keep on threating me when u weren’t even apart of the company that knock might come to your door. Now all of you do me a favor and piss off. Go play in traffic or whatever it is fucking dumbass idiots do. But again my name must taste damn good on your lips cause you say it all the time. Oh and thank you for making me the center of your world.

  72. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I’m sorry I’m not sure if you are aware of this, but Lindsay removed that post on her blog before Tabetha asked any of them to do this. Enough was enough for her.

  73. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Now all of you do me a favor and piss off. Go play in traffic or whatever it is fucking dumbass idiots do.

    THANK YOU TABETHA. You may be a friend of Lindsay’s Ms Jones, but I’m damn sure she will not appreciate the message you have just posted. After all, part of this is aimed at myself and I am her family. Seems she will now see what a disrespectful piece of rubbish you really are. Lindsay has been very tame up until now, but I cannot wait for her to really unleash hell upon you. If you think this is bad Tabetha, wait until my niece starts with you.

  74. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    lolololololol oooooooooh whatcha gonna do, shit for brainz?? looks like i already pissed you off ~~~~~~~ and you aint doin nothin’ but runnin off that ugly mouth AGAIN

    watcha gonna do? watcha gonna do? your tattoo looks like shit

  75. tabetha jones
    January 20, 2013

    Martha what you don’t seem to understand is none of this is aimed at you. I have no fight with never have. It is lepp and cuss. Her cronies of course but never once have I been disrespectful of you or Lindsay nor do I intend too. I don’t understand why u back them that is the only thing I have ever said. So before u assume that these are directed to you please ask because my fight is not with you. So you have no reason to insult me.

  76. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    Dear Turdcakes… err Tabetha, we are not afraid of you. We just want to spray you a bit with some pet deodorant. The kind that takes the smell out of the litter box. Your insults are a bit bland and boring, could you please come up with something original? After all you claim that your masturbatory Mary Sue worship is literature.

  77. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Sorry, off topic here… shit for brainz
    Oh that ticked me, I’m going to use that in the future.

  78. tabetha jones
    January 20, 2013

    Oh eyeworm at least I use my name but your such a dumbass and scared lil weasel you have to use a fake retarded ass alias to talk shit. Tattoo looks like shit huh maybe your just jealous which I see alot of lately so take your opinion and shove it up your ass….oh wait for you that might be enjoyable. Fuck off and get a life….and keep watching more ink to cone since u seem so interested.

  79. Amanda
    January 20, 2013

    My goodness, how much work does this tattoo artist owe you? You know these people would go away if you would just fucking pay them what YOU owe them!

  80. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    awwwwww i aint interested, i just like to play ~~~~~ with dumb fucktards like you. say, aint you a writer? how come you can’t write for shit, tabbyfat?

  81. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Tsk, Tsk, Martha. Such language from a dignified older English lady.
    Looks like those true colors (and alters) are showing through.

  82. Wickedly Sweete
    January 20, 2013

    It really isnt anyone’s business how much he owes me, that is my personal life, and maybe if everyone would shut the fuck up for five minutes and understand when I say thing with Mystic have been taken care of. Attorney is going through everything before anything is released which isn’t any royalties, i have copies of all sites. they may receive a couple bucks but that is it. As for staff that did work, he is consulting with the new editors, and have a editor here in town look over the revisions that were done after the previous editor which was you did the work. Once that is done funds will be paid out, but the attorney will not release anything until he feels that the correct amounts are given for what work was done. The authors had services rendered I owe them nothing….oh and btw you might want the correct contract, seems you have the wrong one….

  83. Wickedly Sweete
    January 20, 2013

    oh eyeworm, is that the best you can do? and you cant even be who you are and say who you are…that is sad. Be nice to know who the dumbass is that cant insult for shit.

  84. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    000H ooooh, here we go with the mythical attorney again.

  85. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Lep, read back. I copied what had been written by others. You really should check this before you write. Grasping at straws her my love, and everyone can see it.

  86. Amanda
    January 20, 2013

    And once again you prove you don’t have a real lawyer. A real lawyer would tell you that you owe exactly what you agreed to pay, not what you decide to pay.

  87. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    blah blah blah BULLSHIT blah blah blah

    AGAIN you forget that it’s COMMON KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU STOLE ROYALTIES – – – – read the fucking blog post your commenting under before you open your cock trap.

    sheesh, piggy, learn when you been beat

  88. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Then I’ll say it. You’re an illiterate fucktard that can’t write your way out of a wet paper bag with both hands, a flashlight and a ghost writer. Your one talent has been for scamming people, and even that is fraying at the seams.
    You’re a thief, Tabetha, and people aren’t going to just sit back and take it anymore.

  89. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    The only time an attorney gets involved in something like this is when a company has filed for bankruptcy. Since the “company” was never registered as a legal business, Tabetha cannot file for bankruptcy on it.

  90. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    If this company was never registered, then under US law, would their contract still be legal and binding?

  91. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Unless she’s talking about suing somebody for slander or libel. She’s out of luck there, too, because either of those requires a lie. So she and her nonresistant lawyer can both go take a hike.

  92. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Just wait. She can’t argue with the facts, so she’ll be back in a minute thanking us for all the free publicity and cackling at her own self-supposed wit.

  93. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Lep I too was waiting for the free publicity comment. I’ve seen it so many times. She is like a broken record player.

  94. Wickedly Sweete
    January 20, 2013

    I really dont understand why I would want to steal anything that wasnt mine. I dont give a shit about those authors’ royalties. If and when they are received they will go straight to the author, I dont want their fucking money. I could care less about their money. They will get what is owed to them period. The reason I had my attorney involved in other things is because of the sloppy work that was done and wanted to know my options.

    Lepp you say I couldn’t write my way out of a paperbag huh? I have about 3000 people that disagree, and not to mention those on goodreads. So I dont want to talk about ‘my’ writing. If its not for you then dont read it no one forced you too. Move on. What is sad is that you had nothing better to do but create a blog site just for me, which I find pathetic. I mean seriously dont you have a life?

    EyeWorm, you can dig a grave and Ill throw the dirt on you, cause at this point I see you are digging yourself a large grave. Again, I see you dont have the balls to reveal who you really are. So at this point I say you dont exist.

    Cuss, you can insult me, do whatever makes you feel good at the end of the day, but when the truth does come out, you will owe me a public apology, and I am waiting for that day.

  95. Ramsey Campbell
    January 20, 2013

    “I dont give a shit about those authors’ royalties.”

    I am lost for a comment.

  96. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    “Cuss, you can insult me, do whatever makes you feel good at the end of the day, but when the truth does come out, you will owe me a public apology, and I am waiting for that day.”

    Let’s think about this for a moment. Apparently the truth has already come out of your mouth. However this contradicts that as you quite openly say “WHEN the truth comes out”. Jesus Christ just how many versions of the truth are there?

  97. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    If you had three thousand people who disagree, then your sales ranking on Amazon would be higher than mine. Instead, you are way below the sales of even my poorest selling author and much much below my own sales ranking.

  98. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    I should add, sales ranking on my poorest selling book. Blood Rites sold 5000 copies on fictionwise when Renebooks first brought it out in 04. It’s still selling, but much slower since it is an older book.

  99. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    According to Tabetha, she doesn’t owe anybody royalties because a) they didn’t sell any books, or b) everybody that bought a book returned it. Says so right on the doctored sales reports she whipped up to send to the authors that were pestering her for sales information so that they could file their taxes properly. Something Tabetha will wish she’d kept on top of.

    Don’t I have anything better to do than defend my daughter and see to it that nobody else gets ripped off by a scam publisher? No. I do have other things to do, and they’re getting done. I do have a life, hag. One that doesn’t involve ripping people off.

    The people Tabetha has stolen from are still waiting for that apology, and to get paid the money she owe us. When’s that going to happen?

    Right. Thought so.

  100. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    “The people Tabetha has stolen from are still waiting for that apology, and to get paid the money she owe us. When’s that going to happen?”

    Lep, you’re wasting your breath. Don’t forget before this could happen we all have to wait for this “truth” to come out. Again. (Anyone else confused by this or is it just me?) Maybe, just maybe then you will get what you are owed?

    Oh wait, sorry, I’m taking a page out of Tabetha’s book here and talking dribble. Sorry. You’ll never get what you’re owed.

  101. Cindy White
    January 20, 2013

    I am here only to state facts and not to get any more garbage started or aimed towards myself. Lindsay has done cover art for me, I paid her directly. I will add that I was very pleased with the work, and if i am lucky to do another book, I would choose her.

    I would like to say that I am a real person. I have never met Tabetha in person, we have only spoken on the phone. I do not appreciate being called a liar about that. I do not live anywhere near, as far as I know, any of you.

  102. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    cont…

    She’s innocent, she owes nothing to anyone. I’ve never heard so much rubbish and verbal diarrhoea in my life.

  103. Wickedly Sweete
    January 20, 2013

    Lepp why you insist on being part of this when your daughter is a grown ass woman who can speak for herself if need be. So hush your mouth. As for the truth I have spoken the truth but you people seem to need proof, so when all that comes out that is when the apology will be made. And unfortunately the contract you have is not the same one any longer. Phoenix Fire has had a new contract drawn up and is quite different. So I will allow you all to go back to your lives of bashing me and talking shit. Thats fine, but my day is coming so hold on tight when your jaw hits the floor because you were all wrong about me.

  104. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    Lep has every right in the world to go after you. If it had been my daughter you cheated, then I would be going after you twice as hard. So be very glad that you left mine alone. Talk is cheap Ta-BURP-tha. It proves nothing. Your actions speak louder than your words and so far those actions have all been nasty and despicable.

  105. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Thanks, Cindy. I appreciate that.
    I’m not saying that Lindsay is without talent, or that she doesn’t work one on one with authors to do covers for her book. In fact, if she stuck to that, she wouldn’t be in the middle of all this controversy surrounding Tabetha Jones and her practices.
    The only fault that lies with Lindsay is that she has also allied herself with Tabetha and contributed in those scamming practices by taking money from the company, As long as she continues to take money from Tabetha’s disreputable business dealings, she’s involved. She needs to realize that and be honest about it, past and present.

  106. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    No one ever said that lindsay was without talent. In fact several people said that she did, she just needed to refine her craft.

    However, I think going off on Lindsay is what Tabetha wants us to do. It’s a distraction from the solid matters at hand. We know for a fact that no one has been paid.

  107. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Hey, Tabetha. How much did your contract say that you’d pay Thea’s cover artist?
    And who did Thea’s cover art?

    Now, tell me again how I’m not directly involved.

    Regardless, you screw my kid, you deal with me, no matter how old they are.

  108. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    say, isn’t usually about now that the fakes and the fiance step in?

  109. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    I don’t expect to see the fiance here. I think he’s afraid of me or my gunslinger, Tim Willard.

  110. Cindy White
    January 20, 2013

    ~eyeworm~, If you are referring to me, please refrain from it. I only stated facts, and am not starting any problems. I myself am tired of the bullshit.

  111. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    Cinderfella, i wasn’t talkin about you~~~

  112. cussedness
    January 20, 2013

    If you’re so tired of it, Cinders, then why are you here? Did Taberrta cry on your shoulder or something?

  113. Cindy White
    January 20, 2013

    ~eyeworm~, I have respectfully used your name in proper form, please be as kind and do the same towards mine. I appreciate that you were not directing that towards me.

  114. Cindy White
    January 20, 2013

    Cussedness if you must know, it has nothing to do with Tabetha. I seen the post and seen how Lindsay was being put out there. As I said I was stating facts nothing more.
    I again repeat I am not here to start drama. Please stop trying to get me to argue.

  115. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    I’m trying to get hold of Lindsay, I really want her to stop by and see this. She’s out with friends at the moment, but I hope she gets my message and reads all these comments. Again though, the only money Lindsay takes is from those who go directly to her for the art. The publishing house does not pay her anything. They may refer authors to her, but that is as far as it goes. I only know this because we have spoken about it.

    I believe you are right, as much as Tabetha will come on and pretend to defend Lindsay, I too believe she wants the attention to be put on someone else. THIS is another reason I keep checking back on these blogs, and I really hope none of you mind. I’m waiting for Tabetha to hang herself where Lindsay is concerned.

    I just want Lindsay to see all this in black and white rather than going off just what Tabetha and her group of friends (imagined or not) tell her. The problem with Lindsay is that she tries to see the good in everyone, it’s nice to be that way but, it doesn’t always do you good as is evidential here.

  116. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    you now what i do when i want to avoid drama, Cinderfella? I STFU and stay out of it ~~~~~ but i loves the drama, so i gets stuck in… like you, no?

    and don’t bother repsecting me, it wont be returned.

  117. Cindy White
    January 20, 2013

    ~eyeworm~ Your little profile pic suits you, You are a troll. I take it back I have no respect for someone like you, you are just worthess and a scab on society. I will not comment any further on your rabble.
    You are a window licker.

  118. ~eyeworm~
    January 20, 2013

    sluuuuuuurp sluuuuuuurp~~~~ you just don’t get how this game is played, do ya Cinderfella?

  119. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Martha, I’m not talking about the current contract. I’m talking about (at least) a year’s worth of Mystic Press contracts that did collect fees from the author to pay the artist. She wasn’t the only artist, but she was one of them. Those contracts were part and parcel of scams perpetrated upon authors. She took money for that.

    And the fact that she’s dealing with authors one on one is just geography. As long as she allies herself with Tabetha and condones her practices, Lindsay’s just as questionable..

  120. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    But make no mistake. No other discussion lessens my attention to Tabetha.

  121. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    Well luckily she was only involved with Mystic as an artist for around a month before it closed. It was only then (as far as I’m aware) that all this came to light. I know she only takes money from those who go direct, it’s been that way ever since.

    Lep your goal is clear, to leave Tabetha alone in the world and you will cause no end of upset for any of her friends until you get what you want. Lindsay is not a scam artist and the whole world can see that. I’m hoping after she reads this, she will no longer be of service in any way at all to Tabetha. Maybe then you will leave her alone.

    Also, eyeworm, you make me laugh. I enjoy reading your posts.

  122. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    “Those contracts were part and parcel of scams perpetrated upon authors. She took money for that.”

    She took money for work she carried out, nothing more and nothing less. Or would you prefer her to be one of the injured people who never got paid.

  123. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    I’m sorry, Martha. But Lindsay has been involved with Mystic Press at least since Wendy and Brandy left a year ago.

  124. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Both you and she diminish Lindsay’s responsibility in these scams, Martha, but Cuss’s analogy of Neo-Nazzis and Hitler was a good one. Responsibilities lie with ones own actions, not one’s boss.

  125. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    No I’m sorry Lep you are wrong, she has been a friend to Tabetha since they were authors at World Castle Publishing before Tabetha left to go into business with the original owners of Mystic Press. She was NOT involved with any part of the company. Ask her, or ask any of them. Lindsay was only approached towards the end of Mystics existence to help the graphic artist who had been with them from the beginning. She was overrun with cover orders and swag orders. She wanted help and Tabetha approached Lindsay as she knew she was already creating covers for people. I remember this well as Lindsay was really happy to be doing the artwork. She thought it may open up other doors for her in the future.

    I’m sorry but that’s how it is. She wanted Tabetha to do well after what happened with this Wendy person, but other than that, it’s as I’ve said above. You cannot say Lindsay was part of the company when she wasn’t.

  126. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    “Responsibilities lie with ones own actions, not one’s boss”

    You’re quite right in some of that. She is responsible for her own actions. She was paid to do a cover and that is what she did. The end.

    As for boss. This makes me laugh, Tabetha is NOT her boss nor will she ever be. Lindsay is not in contract with Tabetha for anything, she is freelance.

  127. Lepplady
    January 20, 2013

    Martha, I’ve seen business related communications from Lindsay that far back. She’s hiding behind “But we’re just friends!” as an excuse to look innocent. If that works, great. But paid or not, it doesn’t alter her involvement.

    Look, if she can sleep at night being part of a “business” that rips people off, that’s on her conscience. If you can defend your niece rather than teaching her the moral right, it’s on yours. Never am I going to believe that it’s right on any level to participate in such blatant scam and dishonesty.

    Why do you care what I think anyway?

  128. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    That’s a load of tripe. The only thing she did previous to the cover art was allow people to appear on her blog or write a review for them. She does need to TRY and look innocent. She IS innocent. She got paid to make covers – she did. She was asked to write reviews, like she did for many other authors – she did. She would have a chat and a laugh with Tabetha and all the authors – she liked them all very much.

    As for caring what you think, in a way I do and in a way I don’t. You are so unimportant in Lindsay’s life as far as I am concerned. Once person in over 7 billion who walk this earth. But I do know she had a lot of respect for you. She thought of you as one of those people who never sugar coated or romanced anything. You just blurted out the truth or your opinion. She was sad when you turned on her. She speaks her mind and has instant respect for anyone else who does the same. I only care because she was sad over the situation.

  129. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    My apologies for the typo, that should read… She doesN’T need to TRY and look innocent. She IS innocent.

  130. Martha Wilson
    January 20, 2013

    She has also spoken with your daughter and I know she liked her very much too.

  131. Queen of Drag
    January 21, 2013

    God so many drag queens around here. I could swear Cindy White was just a stage name. It ranks up there with the rest of the great stage names. Martha Wilson sounds so retro too. Wickedly Sweete I know is a queen. I saw her on the run way once. That wig was great. Wish I knew where she bought it. Its like one big drag ball. Everyone knows no one cat fights quite as well as a bunch of queenies. So many men dressed as elegant gals here. I’m in heaven. Thanks girls, you did good by me.

  132. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    Well I think I have been staring at a computer screen far too long. My eyes feel far too big for my sockets and I feel as though I have a man with a pneumatic drill dancing around in my skull.

    I will pop on again soon, I hope you don’t mind. I just want to keep up to date with everything and see what comes out of Tabetha’s mouth next. I’m also waiting for the post that screams “We’ve got her!”

    Good night all.

  133. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    What’s that peeking out from under your hem? Looks like a Freudian slip.

  134. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    and to everyone else it will look like a typo, but 10/10 for trying. I must commend you, your attempts to try and turn my niece into something she isn’t are quite good. But unjustified, ill founded and they are not harming her since everyone knows what Lindsay is and isn’t.

    Why is it that there’s only you going after her. You have nothing to go after her for. So, you are doing one of two things here. You are either trying to get a reaction from me and playing some childish game. (I don’t see anyone else doing this so I really think you need to get out of the playground. Believe it or not you are surrounded by adults on this blog, with the exception of Tabetha of course. As much as I dislike you I wouldn’t liken you to her any day of week.) or you really believe your own nonsense. (You can seek medical help for that.)

    I’m so glad I popped back on before turning my computer off. Lep, again my love, you are grasping at straws. Channel your anger to the one who has wronged you. THAT makes perfect sense and THAT is what people can only ever commend you for.

  135. Thea Larson
    January 21, 2013

    I haven’t replied because I have nothing to defend. All I had to say was in my last comment on the other thread. I suggest you read it – it seems you missed it.

  136. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    Just wanted to see how tired those old eyes were. You didn’t disappoint,

  137. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    No, Thea. She didn’t miss it. She chose to skate right over it and throw out a blizzard of bullshit to try and obscure your clear and simple truth. You’ve got nothing to justify. She, on the other hand, has quite a bit.

  138. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    No but your mother is fighting your battles for you. I believe your mother scalded me for defending my niece. It isn’t one rule for one, and one rule for another. I’m sorry Thea, but I’m sure you will understand what I’m saying here. Surely the problem lies with Tabetha, not a cover artist.

    I know you were wronged by Tabetha, and I’m sorry you had to experience that. But now my niece has been dragged through the gutter for creating covers and your mother doesn’t understand why I am defending her. She believes its wrong and wanted Lindsay on here herself. But she was allowed to fight all your battles without you putting in an appearance. Surely you can understand where I am coming from. Even the owner of this blog knows where the problems lie. She is doing her best to shut Tabetha down. It’s a shame your mother isn’t doing that. Instead she is trying to ruin another person.

    Anyway, I feel as though I am banging my head against a brick wall. So Thea, I’ve wished you this before and I will wish you this again, complete success with your novel. After what has happened to you, you deserve that.

  139. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    Lep, nobody has said Thea needs to justify anything. We all know she has been wronged by Tabetha.

  140. Thea Larson
    January 21, 2013

    My mother wasn’t fighting my battle. She was fighting for everyone that has been burned by dearest Tabby-cat. Since it was my mother, Tabby-cat felt the need to bring me into it. It’s interesting how Tabby had nothing to say when I responded to her directly.

    I’m not going to apologize for my mother. She’s an adult and can do as she wishes, just as you are. I’m choosing to watch events unfold from the sidelines while working in my own way to bring Tabby to justice. When my name is dragged into things, you see that I step in. When Lepplady is telling general truths about Tabby? There’s no need for me to make an appearance.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have a space opera to write. Best wishes, Martha and Lindsay.

  141. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    I understand what you are saying. I just hope you understand where I am coming from also.

    I really do hope you get justice. And if you do, I hope I get to hear about it.

  142. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    Those eyes are holding up pretty well, there, Martha.

    I’ll fight for my kid all day every day, thanks.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I’ll go back to advocating the cure for cancer.

  143. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    That’s because you entertain me so much Lep that I just have to come back and read your comments. And for an old bird, you don’t do to bad yourself!

    I’ll fight for my niece all day every day too!

  144. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    You’re, what, almost 60 and I’m still in my 40’s. Funny that somebody so much older would call me an old bird.

    I perfectly understand defending a loved one, but there’s a right way to do it. And letting her think it’s okay to condone and participate in illegal and immoral activities isn’t it. I would expect somebody your age to know better.
    If you wanted to do your niece any favors, your time would be better spent trying to teach her right from wrong rather than helping her make excuses and gloss over her association with a known scam artist and criminal. That way, she can avoid this kind of sticky situation in the future and probably feel a whole lot better about herself. She’d do MUCH better without Tabetha. That cow is a laughing stock to everyone except the masses that live in her head. I’d hate to see her drag Lindsay down with her. That’s not what a real friend does.
    That’s not insults or arguments toward Lindsay. That’s my frank and honest opinion, something Lindsay claimed to respect once upon a time.

  145. mikebrendan
    January 21, 2013

    You know, Tabloid, if you want to convince people that you’re a professional writer and editor, you might want to:
    1) Act like a professional.
    2) Write clearly legible material.

    Right now you just look like an angry Nitwit poser.

  146. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    I had no idea how old you were, I just assumed with a grown up daughter and with they you speak, you would be much older. I apologise if I have offended you.

    You either do not read or you refuse to believe anything anyone may say to you. She is NOT participating in illegal activities. She produces cover art. That is all. To authors who go direct. I don’t know how many times you have to hear this.

    Jesus, you must really have it in for my niece. I really do not see what the hell she has done to you. Have you also noticed how nobody has a bad word to say about her except you? The authors who were signed with Mystic, the ones who were burned are still friends with Lindsay, they are the first to say it was nothing to do with her. She has all the messages from them, she speaks with a lot of them regularly and has built up good friendships with some of them.

    You, someone who Lindsay has had little to no dealings with hates her so much, for doing no harm whatsoever to anyone. She is just a friend of someone you hate. You have every right under the sun to hate Tabetha if what you say is true. If I were you, I would hate her also, but I certainly would not attack Tabetha’s friends, family etc. I would be firing my bullets Tabetha’s way.

    Maybe your time would be better spent bringing the woman who scammed your daughter to justice, and spending less time trying to harm someone who HAS never, and WOULD NEVER harm YOU.

    She did respect you and I’ve said several times she was upset by your attitude towards her. Especially since it only started because she defended herself on the first post on this blog. Because for a few moments, her mouth worked before her brain, but you can clearly see she only defended herself, NOT Tabetha. Yes she allowed Tabetha to post on her blog. But did you not see that Lindsay removed the post before Tabetha even asked. I wonder if Tabetha noticed this and asked the other blog hosts to remove theirs also. She could then give the impression she was the “BIG BOSS” who had commanded people to take them down. That is tripe.

    People will be friends with those you hate. That’s the way life is. If you turn against those who do not follow you, if you try to ruin them… what sort of person does that make you?

    And Lep this is not an argument. It’s a difference of opinion. You speak your mind, and so do I.

  147. cussedness
    January 21, 2013

    One thing that has gotten lost here is this: the authors are still paying for their own covers. Even though Tabetha has, allegedly, removed herself as the middleman, nothing has really changed. So if the authors are having to pay for their own covers, then I am forced to assume that nothing has really changed in Tabetha’s approach and she is still charging the authors for services that good publishers That makes her a vanity press.

  148. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    Yes I agree it is a vanity press. I guess if these authors want to go down that road it is their choice. Lep and her daughter were happy to sign to say they would pay, they must have know it was vanity press. The problem is, even when people pay, they get ripped off in more ways than one.

    I think what Tabetha is doing is shoddy. You can self publish your work, that’s all Tabetha is doing. Going down the same roads an independent author would go down and taking the profit.

  149. cussedness
    January 21, 2013

    You don’t understand much about human nature and the way that people go at things. I was an exception to most rules, it appears, because I actually researched how to be a writer while I was still a teenager, but back in the 60s things were a lot different. There was not as much disinformation making the rounds. Scammers prey upon the naive, the desperate, and young people with stars in their eyes. Thousands get taken in each year by publishing industry scam artists.

    Thea was happy to sign because Tabetha gave her a load of shit, lured her in and convinced her that all beginners had to pay their way because no one bought novels from unknowns any longer.

    It’s a mistake that many make and I have rescued young writers from the clutches of bad publishers for going on twelve years now. You are very, very out of line to blame Thea for signing that contract. Good people are often taken in by bad people because they don’t have the right information at hand to make an informed decision.

  150. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    How am I out of line for stating what actually happened? Why are you making an inoffensive comment out to be offensive. I simply said Thea was happy to sign the contract and pay the money at the time. Simply because she signed it and paid. I’m not being a bitch I’m saying what happened.

    Yes of course people make wrong choices. Of course when you are new to something you are no expert. Sadly this has turned out to be an expensive learning experience. Nobody wants that, but it does happen and not just in the publishing industry. People should do their research before signing the dotted line of anything. Most don’t, myself included sometimes, but we all should.

  151. Lepplady
    January 21, 2013

    It is offensive. By saying “Thea signed willingly” implies that she deserves what she got. The exact opposite is true.

    I didn’t think it was a good idea for Thea to sign with any publisher that wants you to pay up front. In fact, that’s a sign that an author should run, not walk, away. But Tabetha spins a good yarn and led Thea to believe that everything would be fine. That she’d work with Thea one on one for as long as it takes to get this book (that Tab said she loved) published. Like any scam artist, she lied through her teeth and made Thea believe that she was signing on with a publisher that wanted to help make her dreams come true and would treat her like family. Isn’t that what their website says? So she signed.

    Say what you want about me, I’m a big girl. I can take it. But DO NOT EVER imply that Thea deserved to be hurt and stolen from because she believed the lies of a thief. Thea is a sweet, wonderful soul that deserves much better than what she got at the hands of that despicable sack of shit. And she deserves better than to be blamed for it. Do not do it.

  152. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    No it only implies that if you take it out of context like you have. Again you are looking for a fight with me. Grow up. I have said countless times that none of the authors or employees of Tabetha deserved what has happened to them, so how you can you that to me? Take your medication.

    Do not tell me who I can and cannot speak of. You speak your mind regardless of who you hurt and yet you expect others not too. Well, that will not happen.

    Do not tell me what I can and cannot do. I’m older than you love, I shall do as I please. I NEVER implied anything you are accusing me off and everyone who reads this blog who ISN’T looking for an argument will see that. HOW MANY TIMES (since we feel the need to raise our writing) DO I NEED TO TELL YOU I AM ON YOUR SIDE!!

    You woman are absolutely bonkers, there is something severely lacking inside your head.

    As for what Thea is and isn’t. I don’t know. I’ve never met her. From what Lindsay told me she was a nice girl.

    Your telling me not to mention Thea, but YOU can mention my niece. Well, I guess that says it all really. Again, one rule for one and one rule for another.

    You are a very disturbed and manipulative woman. You also thrive on twisting peoples words to suit your mood at the time. I feel sorry for anyone who works with you in the future.

  153. cussedness
    January 21, 2013

    Martha, I interpreted what you said the same way that Lep has. Maybe you need to be more careful and precise in your phrasing.

  154. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    I will not give the woman what she wants. Another bloody argument. Once again Tabetha has disappeared and so she will pick a fight with someone else. ME.

    Cussedness. I hope you continue to do what you’re doing and bring the evil woman to justice. I hope to see the post one day that reads something similar to “Tabetha Jones goes down in flames.” I think what you’re doing in commendable and people should be grateful to you for the time you are spending on this, protecting other authors from harm.

    You are a woman to be admired. Sadly I cannot say the same for another commenting on your blog. I will pop on and off to see what happens, just because I want to see Tabetha’s victims win. But unless someone drags my nieces name through the gutter again or I am asked a direct question, I will not post. Even though I support you, there is no point, since all I am met with is abuse and people twisting my words.

    Take care and good luck bringing her down!

  155. Martha Wilson
    January 21, 2013

    Maybe you’re right. I apologise. I type as I tend to speak.

  156. Tarantia
    January 22, 2013

    I didn’t bother to read all the comments after Tabby had to jump in again, so this point has probably already been made – but if there was an attorney working with her, the FIRST thing said would have been “do NOT engage this person anymore, and certainly do not continue to leave comment son their blog.”
    I happen to know that from personal experience. Tabby, if you are going to attempt to be some sort of professional liar, you really need to get better at this.

  157. Lepplady
    January 22, 2013

    What she lacks in intelligence, she makes up for with psychosis.

  158. Rusty
    January 22, 2013

    Wow. Nearly half the comments here are from Martha. She treats her keyboard like a machine gun.

  159. cussedness
    January 22, 2013

    It’s gotten way wild and very off course, mostly because of Martha. The focus should be upon Tabetha. But association means that when as frag grenade gets tossed, there’s a lot of collateral damage.

  160. Tarantia
    January 23, 2013

    Dare I suggest that any (or all) of those scammed by Tabby contact Judge Judy? They pay for expenses, and even if Tabby doesn’t pay the judgements, her scamming ways will be seen and known by millions…

  161. Lepplady
    January 23, 2013

    Or the People’s Court. I like Judge Milian.

  162. cussedness
    January 23, 2013

    either would be great. I think it’s worth a shot.

  163. tabetha jones
    January 23, 2013

    I’m not really sure how many times this has to be said but I will state it once more. As instructed by my attorney who is in the process of going through all PayPal, swag, editing receipts also but not limited to every individual contract from Mystic after which will conclude what is to be paid out and to who. This does not include royalties those will be paid as they come in if the said author is owed. This is strictly for any staff. Mainly one particular editor whose work on every manuscript that was touched has had to be redone. Once he has had the editor in town compare both manuscripts, the one she edited and the new one then he will make his recommendations. And allow me to.clarify my authors do not pay for their editing the company does as well as PR swag paperbacks for their launch and anything else that is needed. But that all gets lost in trying to make me out to be a villain if you will. As for authors such as Thea Larson he is looking through all emails and messages from both graphic artists which with one she rarely contacted when a concept was put together and that point blank ignored several messages and emails from myself. He has even the ones offering to help her and letting her know I needed a response within a specific time frame which she refused. That is breach in itself. And yes my submission manager had access to.the mystic email.account that was her job. They only thing I have asked him about regarding Thea is the cover art fee but I have yet to get an answer. I expect to hear something in the next couple of weeks seeing I.am not his only client and he is doing this as a favor to the family. But as for authors that received their work in any shape or form he has already stated it is services rendered. He also stated this, ‘Tabetha we both know you could give these people thousands of dollars and it still wouldn’t be enough. They would find something else to say.’ See I keep.all receipts whether it was mailing out books or on PayPal I have them.all. But be certain unlike Wendy and Brandy I don’t leave a trail behind my debts get paid. But as stated it will be done by cashiers check.or money order and delivered by certified mail. Maybe you people really need to learn to listen and read posts more clearly when I stated everything with mystic was taken care of. But unfortunately those authors that received any sort of services rendered refunds are not issued. Now on the question of engaging I had been told to stay quiet but then I explained to my attorney I wanted to.try and make peace. Then I backed off because my temper got the best of me. But after speaking with.him today he did say I could leave this post any other contact will be done via email.and any email.gone unanswered after 24hours will be the cut off. Anyone contacted will have that time frame. As I stated he has other clients and this could take 2 weeks but as for what I charge for and what I don’t its not really anyone’s business. I will say the contract for Phoenix is different and as the company grows any fees that includes coverart will be covered by the company but if you knew so much about my company you would know I.already do that for my anthologies that are created and concepted through Phoenix. Now if anyone has anything else to say to me it will be done via email. Thank you.and good day.

  164. Rusty
    January 23, 2013

    Your lawyer is a CPA, Tabetha? I’m impressed. I have visions of him hunched Cratchit-like over a desk, poring through shoeboxes full of faded receipts, trying to make sense of the trail of your debts that you claim you didn’t leave. Has he upgraded his crystal ball software since last century?

  165. cussedness
    January 23, 2013

    Do you know the difference between certified and registered mail, Tabetha?

  166. Rusty
    January 23, 2013

    I take it that’s a rhetorical question.

  167. cussedness
    January 23, 2013

    she’s saying that she is going to send the checks out certified, which simply provides Tabetha with evidence that it arrived in the sender’s hands. However, if she wants notice that it arrives, she has to pay extra to get that post card back as evidence. Without that, she can continue to say that things were sent and got lost or were stolen or something. So if she really wanted to reassure her authors, she would send it registered.

  168. Lepplady
    January 23, 2013

    Good lord. What a crock of shit, starting with her nonexistent lawyer. Starting with a lie like that, everything else that follows is just as much crap.

    She says authors don’t pay editors, yet we have countless communications saying that Thea can’t get a refund because that money went to pay the editors. Does she really think that changing her story now changes it in the past?
    That’s okay. The IRS is sorting through it. I hope she’s got that lawyer of hers on speed dial. Mister fish seems to do everything else, so I’m sure he can walk her through an audit, too.

    I’m going to say this one last time since Tabetha can’t seem to get it into that withered little pea brain of hers. Thea did not breach. She replied within the 30 days that Tabetha’s own contract allowed for. I’m sure she’s changed the contract so she can more effectively scam new authors, but she can’t change the one Thea signed.
    Besides, Tabetha had already told Thea she wouldn’t publish her “crap” book before that 30 days was up, negating any need for a response from Thea anyway. It doesn’t matter how much perfume you spray on it, a pig is still a pig, and Tabetha is still a thief.

    Mostly, though, I just think it’s funny how Tab’s trying to sound all professional and official, yet she still can’t manage even a semblance of proper punctuation.

  169. Tarantia
    January 29, 2013

    I take it that Tabetha did not read a comment I posted -who the hell remembers where- about improving her lying skills before trying to post anymore. Tabby, you are, quite simply, full of shit. NO lawyer goes through business receipts, “swag,” or any of the other bullshit you posted. And NO lawyer would advise you to keep posting on blog if there was about to be any kind of legal action attempted against said blog. And NO lawyer (family friend or not) works for free, and we all know you have no money which is why you steal from ..well.. everybody. If you are this bad at lying on a blog, there is no way in hell that your “fiction writing” is worth a goddamn damn either. You really should turn your energies elsewhere – I believe flipping burgers may, however, be your only option.

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